So, THANK YOU OREGON for welcoming professionals from out of state! States began licensing professional counselors 41 years ago. It is your problem because the lack of license standardization in the United States is not just creating prisoners out of licensed counselors, it is hurting the public you are sworn to protect. It seems to me that a major part of your public protection role is not to confuse the hell out of them. I ask again: for those who advocate for us “professional” counselors: why did you not see this coming?? I does NOT address the de facto CACREP exclusivity that CACREP (understandably) and ACA (at least tacitly) support. I got involved in the substance abuse field by being hired by the program in which I had done my practicum placement. of the 20 compact states. Sandra, it’s definitely possible. Except I can’t get those hours yet, nor can I get my raise at my other job where I will be promoted to a therapist position once I’m licensed. Go figure that one. The entire system is run by a bunch of power hungry, petty, bureaucrats, who could not make it in the real world of mental health. Peace For a general inquiry you can expect to wait at least seven weeks for an answer (and it’s never an adequate answer). this Compact State Agreement. I passed the NCE back in April 2012. Some counselor licensing boards require 1 year of experience. Life coaches are NOT included in that esteemed group. Everyone else doesn’t. When I was 21 years old I didn’t think about licensing or state reciprocity. Thank you’ I am having difficulty getting my first clinician posiiton because I don’t have experience. I agree with this article. I have a listing of every designated mental health shortage county in the United States with me if you want to check out your state. Each group first develops a list of possibilities. If you do the math, this is below the minimum wage not to mention as a fee-for-service clinician, you don’t have any other benefits like health issuance, 401 K etc. SO the LCSWs have fewer issues. Texas wants me to re-do all of my supervision hours in order to get a new LCSW. What type of insanity is this! It was fine for a while but there were times when I missed sunny southern California. My worry is, I am sure after I received my license I probably would move or want to work in different state. But when she contacted the state licensing board in her fiancée’s state, she was told – despite the fact that she had been licensed for two decades and despite the fact that she had a spotless record without any complaints made to her licensing board – that she was not eligible to be licensed. The requirement for transferring a license is listed as either two years of practice as a licensed counselor or 2,000 hours of clinical professional counseling experience. I live in Southeastern PA so I am very close to Jersey and Delaware and New York is only about 1 1/2 hours… Well much to my surprise I am stuck here in PA!!! I am trapped and having to explain to a dying elderly parent why my license and degrees are invalid…. Check out this idiosyncratic rule in one state: “An applicant may subtract 1,000 hours of the required professional experience for every 15 graduate semester hours (or 22.5 quarter hours) obtained beyond the master’s degree from a regionally accredited academic institution , provided that the coursework is clearly related to the field of professional counseling.” Woe to the counselor who takes advantage of this rule and then moves down the line to another location only to be told that their new jurisdiction does not have such a rule and they are thus ineligible for licensure. We need to unit and work as a whole to bring about change. Now I have to take the courses!!! On the letter, my name was incorrect. I too agree that there needs to be some way to uniform requirements for all Masters level clinicians. Here my question. The simple explanation for why license reciprocity for professional counselors is so difficult is that there is a patchwork of licensure titles, scopes of practice, and sets of education requirements. Some will allow the rehabilitation counseling exam to count. In a nutshell if you read any 20 state counseling board scopes of practice, you will see 20 different skill sets. People pay lip service to the importance of mental health, but as the saying goes the proof is in the pudding. How short? In most state LPCs are required to obtain a minimum of a master’s degree in counseling or psychology. Illinois currently requires a 48 semester hour degree in the … This is clearly not in protection of the public and those “good old-boy club” professionals should be ashamed of themselves. Psychologists if memory srrves are simply Licensed Psychologist hence keeping it simpler. I have been forced to pretend that the hospitals, group practices, and other mental health organizations that are a mere 30 or 40 minute commute to the north of my home don’t exist. Co-sponsored by you – AASCB – along with ACA – 20/20 involves all of the organizations that identify themselves as clearly falling within the profession of counseling. At least my son is older and can be home alone while I’m in class. I hold a California MFT license, and have worked in a government job, but as soon as I crossed the state line into Arizona, my license and education became worthless. I can attest. I have heard of individuals paying for supervision and starting their own practice with self pay clients to obtain their needed 3,000 hours. Having this information, I called my former licensing board to inquire about my licensure verification. Thanks for any information you can provide. It also includes MFT’s or any other counseling profession except social workers and psychologists. However clever, greedy, unethical “professionals” can easily get around those rules by changing what they call themselves. And here is where you come in. I have a 60 semester hour masters degree and two years of documented post-graduate clinical experience. I discovered that a CA license is valued in OR, and they even recognize the CA exam as equivalent to their own. PERIOD!!!! And if during your residency, you want to change jobs / were laid off, GOOD LUCK. But I am currently a grad student and I am nervous about being “trapped” in my state of Georgia. How can that be anything but confusing to the public? No one is asking the question what is the real purpose of the license and what happens if you don’t have one. I’m in Indianapolis and have checked every (affordable – sorry to those who charge over $500 per credit hour) school within a 90 minute drive to no avail. This is very important to me, since the salaries in Hawai’i are low and cost of living is high, rent is ridiculous (“affordable housing” is a 2 bedroom condo that sells for $350,000) and I am a single mother. Limitation is not a public safeguard. I have already turned in some paperwork to the board of Oregon for reciprocity. It was documented by the U.S. Department of Health Education and Welfare in 1969. I am a Licensed Professional Counselor in Colorado and a few years ago it seemed I was possibly going to move to Arizona. I asked why to learn that the program this psychologist graduated from concentrated on testing and measurements. I read this as I search for information due to my current situation. World view generalization #2: We can’t cooperate with other licensing boards because we will lose the appearance of complete independence. Contact UsPhone: +1 (815) 787-0515Email:, Illinois ranked 3rd in ACA Mental Health Professional Counts. Some include research. Your anger and concern, in THIS forum, is simply misplaced and misguided. Finally, at the end of October, nearly six months after I began the licensing process, I received my counseling license in the new state. Read all instructions carefully before completing and submitting your application. Do schools tend to “not know” or just skirt these issues altogether with prospective students? It is also a much more expensive school. To find the problem, you have to look behind rocks, over creeks, and through the leaves and tall grass. They couldn’t tell me any more than that. My best advice for those seeking licensure: STAY in the state until you get your license in hand, STAY in your job until you get your license in hand. If you do have an idea of the states you would like to work in someday (think long term), then make sure you are meeting the max requirement. or more depending on where I take the courses, traditional or online. They are damaging the entire mental health system and are inhibiting the care of countless people who require much needed services. Laurie, This is a ridiculous problem. Code § MPSW 12.02 may be grounds for denial. Some allow testing. I have not seen nor heard of ANY motion towards reconciling the issues of reciprocity, only of the standardization of required core courses based on CACREP at the higher education level. Flipping burgers in a fast food joint doesn’t even approach covering my student loan payments. I can’t seem to get any answers about this topic or anyone to answer any of the questions I have regarding the differences in licensure requirements for these states. First, your article is spot on and very much appreciated given the state of LCPC’s inability to have portability between states. For the past six years, these 31 organizations have worked together and focused on the heady goal of developing a 15 year strategic plan for the counseling profession, hence the play on 20/20 as both having excellent vision and planning for the year 2020. I can relate to your story of the woman choosing btw her loved one & her beloved profession because that is my current dilemma & answers are INCREDIBLY hard to come by. i have been looking into working towards my MFT license, I am glad i stumbled onto this. I don’t know if any lawsuits have transpired, but as someone who is seeking licensure in the state of Massachusetts, I might have to resort to that. I sadly will need to put my permit on hold and look for a differ job….this has been very painful emotionally…my dream of being a licensed mental health counselor is being crushed…can you give me any helpful information on what to do, I would be very grateful, thank you You will see the need to cooperate with other states and jurisdictions and to provide decent customer service for your licensees. Do we have any current update on the status of national standards being adopted? Clinical psychologists are allowed to be licensed in more than one state, as are doctors, nurses, physical therapists an a few other professional disciplines. I am a LMFT who is licensed in Delaware and am not able to get licensed in the state that I now reside in due to the educational requirements being different. Some include couples and family counseling. Others require 2,000 hours. Some include guidance. I found this website because I keep feeling that I took the wrong test. I know because I am speaking from experience has I have moved from one home state to a new state that did not recognize my license at all and I had to do everything again and pay more than in my home state. I read the code, did my homework, and thought that I would be eligible to transfer the license. Just be really smart with your approach to meeting the standards for licensure across state lines. Others only count full time employment. This PhD from an established university said her curriculum was mainly testing and research. worth of debt and no job. Some include sexual dysfunction. The letter indicated I would need to bring a license to confirm my identity. I am a Doctorial canidate, have over 25yr exp, and my own private practice. One board has an oral exam. You say that it was Hell, which is totally understandable from what I’ve read! When a SW or any other discipline moves they too have to go through the process of ensuring they meet the requirements. No, I relied on a professional org like the ACA. I asked for an explanation and they ignore me. As the end of the year is approaching, I am wondering what developments have been made with the 20/20 Building Blocks to Portability Project? I also explained that I wouldn’t be able to have my practicum supervisors write me any letters of verification since they were all deceased, this having been so long ago. There is no such thing as a “licensed”, “professional” or “mental health” psychologist. Some people have mentioned about looking after the welfare of the clients. Counselors on the other hand are not researchers and treatment modalities are stressed. I’m about to have an interview at the Interamericana University , to get into their master’s in counseling. this would benefit the states and all persons. A state board can’t take something away if they never had it to begin with. Racial and ethnic minority populations are less likely to have access to mental health services and so are less likely to receive needed mental health care.”  The President’s New Freedom Commission on Mental Health also reported that, “racial and ethnic minorities are seriously under-represented in the core mental health professions.” So just as you need to recruit counselors to meet the needs of rural citizens, you need to recruit experienced minority counselors and majority counselors who can provide services to underserved populations. It is so disheartening and I truly feel the pain of all of you who chose counseling as a career because you are no doubt very caring and passionate people, eager to help people, but find roadblock after roadblock on your way to licensure. Moving isn’t an option, I just bought a condo. After waiting several weeks into June, I called the counseling board in the state to which I was moving to see if it had received my licensure verification form. [Read complete Counseling Today opinion piece, “License portability: One counselor’s journey across state lines”], License portability: One counselor’s journey across state lines. I did foster care case management. This license is the pre-requisite for the LCMHC license for new graduates and/or new counseling professionals. That experience coupled with the supervision I received from my supervisor prepared me for independent practice. I applaud David Kaplan’s efforts to establish a consensus title, scope of practice, and educational requirements for counselors. After months of dealing with the Licensure Board in California, I have come to the conclusion their goal is to license as few counselors as possible and to do so as slowly as possible. The school had originally turned me down because they do not allow a student to only register for the internship. Ohio has a reciprocity … We have a real crisis in counselor licensure. So at this point I hope that you see the need to fix the nightmare that is portability and that it is in the best interest of the public to do so. Some include treating substance abuse. Call 1-800-347-6647 x321, I am licensed at the doctorate level as an LPCC in Mn which is one of the highest standards set for counseling practice. I spent a year attempting to get licensed in Arizona, and realized that the process was futile. ACA receives a dozen calls a week – a week – from licensed counselors who have been stymied and frustrated in their attempts to transfer their license to a new state. Others don’t. If you attended a CACREP accredited program, there should be no need for post graduate supervision. 1. I have all this experience and education under my belt that I can’t use because of some ridiculous bureaucratic rule. The money is secondary, but worth noting my position is bachelors level – at least they pay me at the top of the pay grade for that job, but still. I’ve 17 year’s experience. There board’s issue include having social workers as supervisors for my post-masters work experience. I had been able to get copies of pages from an archived catalogue from U of O, but because my attendance was so long ago, no syllabi were to be had. But the good news is that many professional counselors – especially when compared with other mental health professions – seem to be rural types. Now I have completed those courses, passed the NCE with flying colors, but my audit expired in 6/30/2015 just as I was finishing my last semester at Wilmington University. Just be really smart with your approach to meeting the standards for licensure across state lines. The director said she could make the request but added that the board did not usually honor such requests. I’d have to become an Intern again, pass not one but TWO counseling exams (I still have nightmares about the NCE so the notion of even just that small portion of the work involved gives me indescribable nausea). The NCE or NCMHCE exams are used in many states. I’ve been looking at another school in my state, but it doesn’t offer online courses (at least some) and I would need to get approval from work to go to class. The HHS report Rural Mental Health in America states, quote, “Groups at greater risk for mental disorder – the elderly, the chronically ill, the poor, and the dependent – are disproportionately represented in rural areas. I have 5 years as a federal employee assigned to federal real property ranging up to $30 million and also have 2 1/2 years as a PA Licensed Salesperson in Pennsylvania yet they calculated my years of experience as 0 years. The internship is done! A third requires a videotape sample. Any suggestions on how to get transfer of license application started asap? I don’t think many of the “professionals” in this field realize the impact and influence they have over people’s lives. “The written certification must be on official letterhead from the institution of higher education.” I contacted my supervisor from that time and she said she could write a letter of verification. However, as you can imagine, the education and supervised hour requirements in Wisconsin are much different than in Illinois. Others don’t. Copies of the state laws and rules that demonstrate the current licensure requirements for the professional counselor or clinical counselor license (highest licensure level in your state) you are using for reciprocity application. Others don’t. Counselor licensure boards seem to operate from four peculiar world view generalizations: World view generalization #1: Our state is the only state that licenses qualified counselors. The delegates have been divided into three workgroups representing the three building blocks to portability – license title, license scope of practice, and license education requirements. One state even specifies 42 credit hours – how they got 42, I (and the public?) Why is a question with a yes-or-no answer so hard to get answered?? Then I was told that I needed 4 graduate classes to comply with the new law in reference to the new law courses! Just as I finally made it, I needed to move out of state for unforeseen reasons beyond my control. Go figure!! A growing number of LPCs dedicate their careers to researching more effective therapeutic treatment modalities. and this allows them to practice LPN or RN duties in any Something has to be done about this. If I had the experience I would have my license, right? Do you know how much time ( Years) And expense ( thousands) It would take for me to have to start over to get my LCSW again? Somebody must be kidding. We must address this with our state boards and politicians. We have problems with insurance acceptance also. When I explained the situation re DD having been out of business for some time, and I didn’t know how long, therefore no letterhead to be found, she said they would just have to check the BBB to find out (like I was fabricating the existence of this agency) and that my previous clinical supervisor would have to explain, in her letter, about the demise of the program, at which I then informed her that the supervisor had left the program before it closed, so I didn’t know how she would be able to explain that. Luckily I managed to secure a decent unlicensed position but I’m a rare adult who managed to find a career doing what I love, and that is the clinical work. My supervisor had never supervised someone for LMHC-P hrs before and I was under the assumption I would be able to receive all my 3,000 hrs in my position where the nature of the position often counseling is a part of the job (I have been asked by co concurring counselors of my clients to give them tips as they do not how to do counseling for my clients for their mental health care, I was shocked that I had clients that were not getting their mental health care in co concurring, only their substance abuse counseling…and they were not allowed to seek out a licensed mental health counselor due to they were in a co-concurring clinic…often I had clients that leaned on me to listen to them, go over coping skills, educate them on their diagnosis, basically counsel them due to I would be asked by the co-concurring (casac) counselor for tips!!! I won’t be attending MFT school, perhaps LCSW. Got it all in on time for the board meeting May 16! Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) (licensed less than five years) -Approved for LPC licensure . I will stay that just by meeting the max requirements, you would be in route to meet the NBCC Certified Clinical Mental Health Counselor Certification (which is not a requirement for independent practice within the VA or for military Veterans. Or, Licensed Counselor is even better, shorter. This may come as a surprise to those of you who live in cities or university towns where there are plenty of mental health providers competing with each other for clients. Licensure laws establish minimum standards in the areas of education, examination, and experience. This person also told me that if the form was not received by July 15, I would have to wait until Aug. 15 for the counseling board to review my application. Licensed professional counselor (LPC) is a licensure for mental health professionals in some countries.. My NBCC test scores have been submitted. Others don’t. Thanks for the article and thanks for letting me vent! After 6 months, it became apparent that this was not a good fit, so I left that position to get back into primary care. Keywords: licensed professional counselor, licensure portability, state counseling license applications, descriptive statistics, CACREP. Why is the notorious California DMV and the Franchise Tax Board faster than the California BBS. There is no reciprocity between states. Contact them at 800-347-6647 x321. Life Coaching is big business in the state where I live and as you know there is no regulations governing it. I’ve been an LPC in NJ for many years wanting to move to CA but the CA Board would require me to take these three graduate courses: Psychopharmacology, Crisis or Trauma Counseling Advanced Counseling Psychotherapeutic Theories & Techniques. It was at this point I was notified that I did not meet the requirements for transferring my license because I had not held my previous license for two years. My license is not recognized, have more classes to take, have to register as an intern (?). Just waited 15 minutes after calling exactly when they opened and still no one got on the line with me. If I could live my life again I would make licensure and a 60 credit Masters of Counseling a top priority. FINALLY! Unless you want to write off these vulnerable rural populations and say that your mandate only applies to those who have the good sense to live near a city or university town, you need more counselors. I felt their methods to be an abuse of power, and a disservice to the profession. I am not in the habit of discouraging people. It’s actually more cost effective for a mental health professional NOT to have a license than to have one. I am a social worker and there are varying requirements, some states do not offer reciprocity, there are several licenses aka what we are referred to based on state. I, for one professional, take very seriously working with people. We usually do the final group evaluation at an in-person meeting at the ACA conference. As a segment of the overall population, these groups are growing rapidly; current projections show that by 2025, they will account for more than 40% of all Americans. Others don’t. Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) Licensed Associate Counselor (LAC): An applicant with less than 3 years of post-master’s level supervision experience, if all other requirements have been met. Please read the Information and Instructions very carefully. 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